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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the

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Rendlesham forest incident did aliens at

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all it was completely silent it comes

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right over our head it's so a classic

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flying-saucer wave is standing in the

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clearing he turned over to my father and

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held his hand and he looked in his eyes

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and said we're not alone hello and

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welcome to the show the show that we

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call podcast UFO I'm Martin Willis your

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in our show live we have another great

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one for you tonight including upcoming

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UFO news that's coming up in just a few

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minutes with open minds Alejandro Rojas

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our guest tonight is Yvonne Smith and

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we'll be discussing her book Coronado

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the president the Secret Service and

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alien abductions this is a great book

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that describes the explicit and dramatic

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detail of the famous case involving a

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mass abduction of about a dozen people I

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think it was in San Diego and that was

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back in 1994 now I met you Vaughn last

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year and I visited with her in her

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office in California and wait till you

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hear what happened when we tried to

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record a show how's that for a teaser

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well I got a number of emails about our

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last show last week with Sheila now a

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lot of people liked her I liked her too

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but they said we had a lot of well quote

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awkward moments unquote well it it might

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it might be it might be true that can

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happen sometimes isn't isn't that right

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this is awkward just kidding yeah

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unfortunately it happens but you know

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what that's kind of fun it's a spice of

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radio I think when something like that

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happens even on talk shows you know they

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make fun of the awkward moments and it

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can be kind of fun

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these days yeah I'm gonna try to jump on

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the opportunity to next time that really

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happens somehow I don't know what I'm

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gonna do but uh maybe I'll get one of

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those a squeak toy or something yeah

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awkward the new cool oh that's good

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that's I'm comfortable at that yeah so

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hey what's going on with the UFO news

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this week oh there's a lot of news as

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usual so I have a number of things I

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want to talk to you about and I know we

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don't have a whole lot of time because

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you got great interview wonderful so

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this is going to be great I know it but

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I'll hit on some of these these big

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stories this week one of the big ones is

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a video that comes out of Milan Italy

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and it's this object that was filmed on

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July 6 by a gentleman named Antonio

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Jersey and a lot of the news is picking

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it up however a lot of them don't know

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that Antonio

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earthy for over a decade has been

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getting a lot of UFO videos and pictures

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and a lot of these have been what you

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could title too good to be true

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which of course makes people skeptical

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about what he's capturing so I did post

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a video where someone kind of explains

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how he believes that he is getting these

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photos however this video is something

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different than what he normally gets it

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is a spectacular video with these these

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lighting objects that are kind of

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blinking in the sky some people have

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said maybe they're angels or something

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like that I unfortunately have a feeling

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that they might be balloons and he calls

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them he calls it an e Boni

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he says incredible ebon e on Milan and a

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heck does that mean actually II Bonny's

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is something that kid was coined in

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Mexico and essentially it means an

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so essentially in Mexico they were

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hitting these long strings kind of

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looking at videos and they called them

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ebon e because they thought they they

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moved like they were big snakes in the

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sky now things didn't they spit out

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little things too

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we're some that did that yeah those were

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but those I don't think they labeled

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those of Bonny they labeled those

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motherships because yeah there were a

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couple videos that I still think are

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interesting I'm not so sure what they

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are yet where yeah they there's a couple

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of those that spit out some other

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smaller craft and those are really cool

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videos that I have never heard an

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explanation for hmm now this this one in

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particular you're right it does look

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like sort of like a clear balloon with

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like lights inside of it almost like an

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organic type of figure you know it does

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does have that appearance yeah well you

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know a when balloons are tied together

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they can look like this and this is

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often you see videos where they kind of

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move weird because of the wind in Mexico

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ago in a conference that Jaime Muhsin

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had in Mexico City he's a famous

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ufologist out there and some of their

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researchers presented these Abani and

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they looked exactly like those wedding

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you know trains of balloons that had

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gotten loose and they stay admit it

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these look like balloons but they're

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moving so weird they're probably not but

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you know up in the sky the way the wind

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is you know they can move kind of weird

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and some people took a look at this

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actually Mark Dantonio the young photo

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analyst just got back to me on Facebook

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today and I posted that in a story but

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yeah he explains he thinks pretty sure

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that this video is probably some

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balloons tied together but you know I

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implore people to take a look and let us

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know what you think and Mersey has a

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number of like I said these

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too-good-to-be-true kind of UFO videos

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because yeah you definitely if you're

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not familiar with him in its videos

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you'll want to take a look and kind of

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decide for yourself do you think he's

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hoaxing these things or not yes and for

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the listener you can go on podcast UFO

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and writing the show notes are all the

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links that Alejandro was talking about

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so let's move on to the next one the

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next one of course we've been posting

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some MUFON Case Files written by Roger

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Marsh she's their director

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of communications and there was a really

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interesting photo case that they posted

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this is taken in the Ukraine which of

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course is so much in the news because of

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the fighting going on there

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really unfortunate but in the town of is

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mile which is right off the Danube River

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River on earlier this month or actually

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last month July 14th a guy was out on

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his balcony took a couple pictures and

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he looked at him later and he saw these

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weird objects in them now I would say

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99% of the time when we get a case hey I

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took some pictures and I didn't see

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anything at the time but I looked at him

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again and I see these weird things

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they're usually bugs or birds because

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you know if a birds flying by you don't

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notice it when you take the picture and

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then you forget it was there you don't

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was there and and that's what it appears

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analysed yet but they do look really

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strange they don't definitively look

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like birds which many of these do so I

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pictures and I can't wait till someone

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takes a look at these yeah I was just

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looking up it looks almost like you know

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discs like with a dome on top yeah yeah

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they look like a silver kind of metallic

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object at your typical dome domed disc

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so really interesting and maybe it will

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never get an answer but they don't

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appear to be hoaxed right yep which is

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good so pretty cool pictures so what

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else is happening so what else of course

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we went to the movement symposium I

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think we talked about that last week I

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said open minds and we got some

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interviews and our videographer Michael

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Klein put together a great piece on this

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the theme was UFOs and the media and

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they had some of the best people to talk

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on this there and I love this video and

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these interviews because they all kind

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of I think this it really gives you an

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idea of how UFOs and the media works

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with UFOs so we interview people like

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klas he

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the area 51 story bob lazar he's been

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doing this for decades james fox who did

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arguably the best UFO documentary ever

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out of the blue you know ben handsome

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from fact or faked Roger Marsh the

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director who's been a journalist for

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many many years so we ended up you know

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guys and we asked him you know have you

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ever been censored when it comes to UFOs

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do you believe there there is censorship

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and the answer overwhelmingly oh and of

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course Lee Spiegel with the Huffington

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Post the base mainstream media covering

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UFOs on a regular basis and they all

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said no we've never been censored by

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someone above we've never had an editor

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say you can't cover this

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however there they said mostly in the

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media their self-censorship because

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editors typically don't really care

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about UFOs the journalists feel like

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they get made fun of from their peers

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and that's one of the reasons they don't

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cover UFOs so these guys all have to

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kind of be courageous enough to say I

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don't care if I'm gonna get made fun of

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I'm gonna go out and do this and they're

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never told no don't do it and in fact a

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lot of their stories become popular so

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they go out and do it so really

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interesting I think that this is a case

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it's not so much than being censored by

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above but kind of just the social taboo

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the stigma of things now george knapp

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did say he believes he's been bugged and

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some of the people he's interviewed have

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been harassed which is interesting of

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course he covers our stories on

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top-secret projects such as those going

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on at area 51 so he was the only one to

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speak to that which is interesting and

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James Fox I think had some insight

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because he works on kind of these

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one-off shows kind of these cable

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channel shows and stuff like that like

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chasing UFOs and his comment which you

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know sounds the same throughout most of

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these working with TV it's just that the

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editors especially in TV just don't

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really care about the topic at all their

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only interest is viewership and money

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and unfortunately that means they have

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no interest in accuracy which of course

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comes across and

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final cut of many of these shows

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including chasing UFOs which he was on

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and he's very quick to admit that he was

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certainly dissatisfied with the way

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those came together well I understand on

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the cutting room floor that a lot of

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things changed in those episodes yeah

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Travis Walton he was pretty upset about

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what happened to the episode he was in

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right yeah really unfortunate because

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the real story such as well in all of

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these in my opinion and including in

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Travis Waltons are much much more

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interesting let alone they lend more

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insight into the world we actually live

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in and I think sometimes egos getting

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creative people or I can come up with

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something more interesting no you can

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you know it is my answer what you post

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is not interesting it's typically cliche

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and it would be much more interesting to

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get the real story so you can check out

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all these stories on our show notes

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again at podcast UFO well thank you

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Alejandro and we'll talk to you next

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all right great say hello to Yvonne for

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me and we'll talk to you next week

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great thanks a lot so hold on to your

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hats gather around your computers we're

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getting ready for our guests Yvonne

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Smith coming right up jump in our chat

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room it's an easy signup and we'll be

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right back right after this quick music

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Yvonne Smith how are you I'm fine how

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are you good

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you know I I said in the in the intro

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there I teased everyone out there about

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the story about being in your studio but

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I didn't give the details what a bizarre

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thing that happened there

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yeah and what it was two listening

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audiences we I sat down in in your your

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studio your office and we recorded a

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full session wasn't it yeah we did a

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whole show and it this sounds really

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really strange and hard to believe but

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there was like a chanting in the

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background and it was it was really loud

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and the craziest thing of it all is I

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got so frustrated when I was editing it

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that I deleted the whole thing it's gone

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I was right there it was very strange

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but that's you know that happens many

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times during interviews on this subject

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so I actually really was not surprised

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it was but it was strange

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really yes so we're here tonight to talk

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about your book and and a few other

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things of course but I have actually

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been to that hotel the isn't it the del

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such a beautiful place but we're going

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to talk about and you and I did discuss

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this when we spoke before the situation

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that happened there back in 1994 I think

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wasn't Bill Clinton there and all that

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clicking his entourage of Secret Service

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we were having a huge UFO conference

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that same weekend the triad conference

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that at that time it was sponsored by

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Robert Bigelow and my colleagues and I

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would travel around the country

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for the triad conferences so this time

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because it was in my backyard in San

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Diego they asked me to emcee the

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conference which I was happy to do so I

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was down there along with several of my

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thorough support group members when this

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whole this whole thing happened of

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course we really didn't grasp the

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enormity of the situation that weekend

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it wasn't until months and you know a

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couple years later when I started

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putting together all the pieces Wow now

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did it did it come together like when

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people often talk about they have dreams

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and then you know other people start

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talking to each other and how did it all

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start out and discovering that something

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happened well just gradually just as you

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said that weekend in fact it was the

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Saturday morning when the conference was

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just getting going I believe I may be

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introduced one or two speakers and I had

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a couple of my serial members of now 0

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was close encounter resource

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organization which is the support group

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they came up to me and you know they

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they just they described those one or

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two that they were having terrible

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headaches you know flu-like symptoms

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which is very very typical after an

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abduction occurs but of course they

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weren't sure you know if something may

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have happened but on in one hotel room

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this was Mike and his wife he woke up

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with blood spots on his pillow and for

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many years you kept saying you know I

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must have hit my chin on the sink you

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know in in the bathroom of the hotel and

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Alice who was in the room right next

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door to his

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kept telling them you know that doesn't

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make sense

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my house did you say you hit the your

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chimba it was a it was a very small

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bathroom it's an old hotel they were

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seeing at the village in another

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landmark there and on Coronado Island

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and in walking distance to the del

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Coronado there were six people seen in

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that village in hotel and so many years

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he kept that was his memory and you know

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we call it screen memory because that's

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not exactly what happened

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he actually had blood coming out of his

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ear and you know later on went to the

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doctor for this and they found a

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puncture wound in his ear are you saying

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I'm pardon me are you saying that the

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people that were involved in this were

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at two different locations three

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different locations we had because the

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del Coronado as you know is expensive

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and we had the conference there and

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because I was the MC of course I was I

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was fortunate enough to have the

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conference pay for my room I had a

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beautiful room there and I had say there

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were three others II remember staying at

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the del Coronado then I had two other

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people Sam and Gary standing right

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across the street from del Coronado in a

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small motel then we had the six people

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at the Village Inn so it was they were

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all staying on the island so it wasn't

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necessarily where they were abducted

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from just one hotel it occurred

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throughout the island which you know

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later on I started putting all these

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pieces together and meaning you know

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several months after the conference I

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began doing some hypnosis sessions in

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regard to that weekend especially the

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ones with Mike because he did have the

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physical evidence of the blood and then

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Alice who was next door she came away

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from that conference with an object in

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her shin

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and eventually our late dr. Roger Leir

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he he took x-rays of it found that there

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was something underneath the skin and

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eventually Alice decided to have it

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removed surgically by dr. Lear's

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associate I have the analysis and went

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through that and I have the details of

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course all in the book that it was Mike

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and Alice who really began thinking out

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the regression sessions because of their

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they felt the physical evidence they

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they had from that weekend and had

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pictures of the blood on Mike's pillow

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I'm so glad he had the frame of mind to

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take pictures I always encourage people

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to take pictures of evidence like blood

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or marks or scars on their bodies they

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wake up the game after the morning after

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and obviously they didn't have this the

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night before it's very important for

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everybody listening out there to take

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pictures because you may want to look

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into your experiences later now this is

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how long it took me this happened in

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March of 1994 and I began writing about

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it several years ago I believe it was I

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can't even remember the year I started

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writing it was probably late 90s that I

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had to put it down because of lights you

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know life happens and it just wasn't

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ready for the project and it was not

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until after my first book chosen was

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published in 2008 so I decided to tackle

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cornado again but it's so huge because

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of so many people being involved in all

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the hypnosis sessions and all the

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transcripts I actually went down to

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Coronado Island 2008 December of 2008 to

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spend the weekend there so I can start

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researching speak to this story in there

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ask about the

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the Clinton visit and we took some

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pictures my photographer videographer

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Laurie Wagner took some beautiful photos

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there on the island but it's here it was

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here we are 2014 I finally released the

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book the end of June 2014 so it took me

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all these years all these pieces

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together but I felt it was this this

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case as this was too important for not

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to be presented to the public and I have

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a feeling that I'm going to have a

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second volume say or a follow-up to this

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first book on Coronado because after I

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did

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coast to coast with George now right

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before I left for the Roswell conference

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I had a couple people email me telling

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me that they recall being on that island

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on that same weekend so I'm going to be

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interviewing them and as I do more shows

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and I think is the book the longer the

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book is out and people have a chance to

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read it

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I have a feeling I'm going to be hearing

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from more people it seems to snowball

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like that you know if you google del

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Coronado hotel what will come up is that

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it's haunted yeah that's pretty

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interesting now I want to just take a

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little bit of a jag here and we'll go

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get back to this book but for the

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listener this is actually the first time

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you've been on the show

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second attempt but the first time you've

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been on if you can go back and and tell

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you know the audience how you got

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started and in what your specialty is

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and when I was in your office I mean you

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had there was people coming in from all

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over the country to deal with what they

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consider their abduction experiences so

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can you go into your background and how

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you got into this and and how its

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progressed I mean you're pretty busy

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aren't you

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I'm very busy it's this is so the

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abduction phenomenon is so widespread

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that I get emails you know when I

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started my practice early 90s a 91 we

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didn't have the internet like we have

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now we were just starting to use email

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so when I started my practice we were it

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was phone calls you know our phone bills

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were were sky-high

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because I would get calls from all over

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the country but back then in the late

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80s is when it was actually my mother

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had asked me to go with her to to be at

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the time was the whole life Expo and

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this was in Pasadena California right

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near where I live up in the foothills

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but Hawkins at that time during that

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conference was lecturing and she she

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knew about bud Hoskins my mother was

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very very open-minded she read quite a

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bit about you know paranormal and in

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UFOs and in fact she was the one that

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introduced me to the Betty and Barney

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Hill case and in Look magazine so I went

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with her she was lecture and I was

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amazed at what he was presenting he had

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his slides and he was talking about you

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know what happens to these people and

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all the drawings that he had from his

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clients and and then the next experience

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I had was taking my son - at the time

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you know we had all the bookstores

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still hit before the internet came in

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and took him - at the time crown books

544
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for a school project and I happen to

545
00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:38,169
come across communion Whitly streamers

546
00:26:42,029 --> 00:26:39,940
look I didn't know who at least raver

547
00:26:43,529 --> 00:26:42,039
was and I saw the cover of the book I

548
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:43,539
thought that was pretty interesting I

549
00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:46,450
picked it up and I read the side jacket

550
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:48,820
and I I thought well you know I'm going

551
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:51,129
to buy this book and see what it's all

552
00:26:55,330 --> 00:26:53,690
about I read it in two days and any

553
00:27:04,480 --> 00:26:55,340
who knows may I read anything in two

554
00:27:08,919 --> 00:27:04,490
days you know it just I was amazed at

555
00:27:11,169 --> 00:27:08,929
what people were experiencing I began

556
00:27:14,850 --> 00:27:11,179
studying hypnotherapy I went to college

557
00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:14,860
and at that time as I was studying I

558
00:27:21,730 --> 00:27:17,480
wanted to open my practice to work with

559
00:27:25,299 --> 00:27:21,740
cancer patients when I was gathering my

560
00:27:27,249 --> 00:27:25,309
hours in the clinic I saw a few cancer

561
00:27:29,649 --> 00:27:27,259
patients and it was very rewarding to

562
00:27:31,629 --> 00:27:29,659
work with them so this is what I thought

563
00:27:33,970 --> 00:27:31,639
I was going to specialize in because a

564
00:27:38,139 --> 00:27:33,980
very close family member of mine had

565
00:27:42,190 --> 00:27:38,149
died not too long before that of cancer

566
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:42,200
he was only 41 years old so when I

567
00:27:51,879 --> 00:27:46,000
started my practice I was so surprised

568
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:51,889
to find that I was beginning to see

569
00:28:01,480 --> 00:27:56,710
people who were exploring their possible

570
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:01,490
contact experience so I just thought you

571
00:28:05,769 --> 00:28:03,710
know she would be interesting to maybe

572
00:28:07,869 --> 00:28:05,779
work with some of these abduction cases

573
00:28:11,159 --> 00:28:07,879
I I really thought they were just going

574
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:11,169
to trickle in every once a while and

575
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:15,200
didn't realize that years later you know

576
00:28:21,490 --> 00:28:17,690
it makes up about 95 percent of my

577
00:28:24,340 --> 00:28:21,500
practice I began lecturing and doing

578
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:24,350
shows like yours over the years you know

579
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:26,570
throughout the 90s and during that time

580
00:28:33,310 --> 00:28:30,080
Liat television shows like encounters

581
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:33,320
and sightings and so it was you know I

582
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:34,570
felt like I was being interviewed

583
00:28:44,259 --> 00:28:39,289
constantly about abductions and my work

584
00:28:47,619 --> 00:28:44,269
and so 23 Here I am 23 years later and

585
00:28:50,249 --> 00:28:47,629
and published my second book and we

586
00:28:53,169 --> 00:28:50,259
believe me when I started practicing

587
00:28:56,919 --> 00:28:53,179
hypnotherapy I never dreamed that I

588
00:29:00,129 --> 00:28:56,929
would even you know author a couple

589
00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:00,139
books but I feel like you know when

590
00:29:04,659 --> 00:29:02,990
someone gets put on there gets put on

591
00:29:07,450 --> 00:29:04,669
their path in

592
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:07,460
this is what happens you know doors open

593
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:10,730
you begin to experience things like

594
00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:14,570
writing I'm considered a writer now an

595
00:29:24,669 --> 00:29:19,609
author and it's something that I feel

596
00:29:27,879 --> 00:29:24,679
blessed with so an M plus if there's so

597
00:29:33,659 --> 00:29:27,889
much need out there for work like this I

598
00:29:38,139 --> 00:29:33,669
am planning to eventually start a

599
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:38,149
Institute where I will have workshops

600
00:29:45,789 --> 00:29:42,799
for therapists who wish to work with

601
00:29:48,729 --> 00:29:45,799
abduction cases Wow

602
00:29:50,619 --> 00:29:48,739
now first of all for the live listener

603
00:29:53,859 --> 00:29:50,629
out there you can jump over to podcast

604
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:53,869
UFO comm and jump in our easy sign in

605
00:30:00,099 --> 00:29:55,730
chat room if you'd like to ask you've on

606
00:30:02,019 --> 00:30:00,109
a question you've on before we get back

607
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:02,029
into your book one other thing that

608
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:06,769
comes to mind is it seems like there's a

609
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:09,049
percentage of the population that are

610
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:11,809
claiming that they're having some type

611
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:15,200
of a duct abduction experience and I

612
00:30:20,349 --> 00:30:17,809
mean we're talking I don't know how many

613
00:30:22,899 --> 00:30:20,359
people what do you think about that you

614
00:30:27,460 --> 00:30:22,909
think something is really going on and

615
00:30:34,049 --> 00:30:27,470
like a mass of abductions worldwide or

616
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:38,169
I'm sorry to interrupt I just came back

617
00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:42,080
from Brazil the big Brazil World

618
00:30:48,479 --> 00:30:45,350
Conference in this past May and as I was

619
00:30:50,919 --> 00:30:48,489
lecturing showing my PowerPoint

620
00:30:52,629 --> 00:30:50,929
presentation and of course you don't

621
00:30:55,149 --> 00:30:52,639
have an interpreter because everybody

622
00:30:58,049 --> 00:30:55,159
there mainly speak Portuguese I had

623
00:31:01,930 --> 00:30:58,059
people coming up to me afterwards and

624
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,940
describing their experience and almost

625
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:03,919
in tears because something resonated

626
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:06,850
with them in my slide presentation and

627
00:31:11,259 --> 00:31:09,200
here these people don't even you know

628
00:31:13,450 --> 00:31:11,269
they speak Portuguese Portuguese we

629
00:31:15,489 --> 00:31:13,460
speak English I mean it's and the same

630
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:15,499
thing when I when I lectured in Italy

631
00:31:21,070 --> 00:31:17,130
when I lectured and

632
00:31:24,140 --> 00:31:21,080
England and so it is definitely

633
00:31:27,170 --> 00:31:24,150
worldwide this is just not in the United

634
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:27,180
States however you probably know Martin

635
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:33,480
that in the mid nineties I believe 2002

636
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:38,610
maybe it was a second Roper poll it it

637
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:41,640
came out in the results shows that one

638
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:44,850
in 50 and this is just America you know

639
00:31:51,290 --> 00:31:46,770
in the United States one in 50 American

640
00:31:54,530 --> 00:31:51,300
adults experienced something that could

641
00:31:56,650 --> 00:31:54,540
point to an objection they had they had

642
00:31:59,960 --> 00:31:56,660
some very strange high strangeness

643
00:32:01,670 --> 00:31:59,970
experiences as they you know as they

644
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:01,680
fill out these questionnaires and one in

645
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:04,110
50 can you I mean think about that one

646
00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:08,640
in 50 American adults amazing say so

647
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:10,460
well they're not even talking about

648
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:14,760
worldwide but it convinced because of

649
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:18,090
all the years I've lectured and spoken

650
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:22,320
to people in other countries what I've

651
00:32:27,890 --> 00:32:24,630
spoken to them one-on-one in private

652
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:27,900
this definitely is a worldwide

653
00:32:34,670 --> 00:32:30,830
experience so it's it is more widespread

654
00:32:38,150 --> 00:32:34,680
than the average person would want to

655
00:32:40,940 --> 00:32:38,160
really know I think people want to keep

656
00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:40,950
their heads in the sand because it is

657
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,160
much too frightening to think about

658
00:32:51,850 --> 00:32:46,320
something that we don't have any control

659
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:51,860
over coming down and you know engaging

660
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:55,650
that's right we have we have a question

661
00:33:01,280 --> 00:32:58,050
up a couple of questions up on the

662
00:33:05,420 --> 00:33:01,290
message board but I wanted to ask you

663
00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:05,430
first what is the steps for someone to

664
00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:08,790
actually make it to your couch you know

665
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:12,870
I mean do does do they get referred to

666
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,690
you by someone do they go to their own

667
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:18,000
therapists and talk about what's going

668
00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:20,550
on and somehow you get connected there

669
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:26,060
how does that work now with the internet

670
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:30,490
it's much easier I have a Facebook page

671
00:33:36,869 --> 00:33:34,860
about my work I also have my the

672
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:36,879
organization that branched out from

673
00:33:42,269 --> 00:33:38,860
Cyril the support group called

674
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:42,279
zero international for the purpose of

675
00:33:48,029 --> 00:33:44,529
bringing in speakers from all over the

676
00:33:49,649 --> 00:33:48,039
world to keep this subject in the

677
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:49,659
forefront and to educate the general

678
00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:53,440
public in mainstream media so they can

679
00:34:03,960 --> 00:33:56,409
go to now either Facebook or they can go

680
00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:03,970
to WWE or international comm and has my

681
00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:05,740
contact information there

682
00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:08,020
I've also as you mentioned I've also had

683
00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:10,300
referrals from many therapists and

684
00:34:17,339 --> 00:34:14,710
medical doctors because they they don't

685
00:34:19,319 --> 00:34:17,349
know what to do with this with the

686
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:19,329
subject and they don't know really how

687
00:34:26,609 --> 00:34:23,649
to handle someone who is talking about

688
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,619
you know seeing a UFO or having contact

689
00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:29,440
with with this occupants and this is why

690
00:34:36,270 --> 00:34:32,950
I do that's one of my goals is to begin

691
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,280
to train therapists to do this because

692
00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:38,800
we certainly need people all over the

693
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:43,060
country and we've already lost my mentor

694
00:34:48,569 --> 00:34:46,510
but Hopkins and and dr. John knack who

695
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:48,579
like lectured with and it's you know

696
00:34:56,369 --> 00:34:51,010
David Jacobs is on the East Coast and

697
00:34:59,609 --> 00:34:56,379
I'm here so the internet now has of

698
00:35:01,650 --> 00:34:59,619
course made it much easier to connect I

699
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:01,660
mean I get emails from people all over

700
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,720
the world about this so you know they

701
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:06,880
get sort of zero international calm and

702
00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:09,130
then they can see the events that we

703
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:11,230
have coming up in September we have

704
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:15,900
Grant Cameron coming in from Canada and

705
00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:19,839
one of the say very quickly is that we

706
00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:24,520
I'm going to be lecturing in the the

707
00:35:30,210 --> 00:35:26,230
contact in the desert conference is

708
00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:30,220
coming weekend in Joshua Tree I'll be

709
00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:33,160
presenting my my work that I've done on

710
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:36,220
my book and also doing a workshop this

711
00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:40,450
coming Sunday or abductees for people

712
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:42,190
who want to sit and share with each

713
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:43,369
other so

714
00:35:46,569 --> 00:35:45,049
it's going to be an experience recession

715
00:35:48,249 --> 00:35:46,579
that I'm going to be doing over the

716
00:35:50,650 --> 00:35:48,259
weekend Wow

717
00:35:53,739 --> 00:35:50,660
well that's great we do have a bunch of

718
00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:53,749
questions that have come up on the

719
00:35:57,849 --> 00:35:55,400
message board a quick one from me and

720
00:36:00,099 --> 00:35:57,859
then I'll start asking the ones that are

721
00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:00,109
up there is if you had to put a

722
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:02,920
percentage on how many people saw a UFO

723
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:06,529
before their abduction or had seen a UFO

724
00:36:11,859 --> 00:36:09,410
at one time and we're talking about an

725
00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:11,869
abduction experience or experiences

726
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:15,670
ongoing what would that percentage be I

727
00:36:25,210 --> 00:36:20,930
would say over fifty percent the people

728
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:25,220
who had a sighting the small percentage

729
00:36:30,549 --> 00:36:27,710
that that never have but feel that

730
00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:30,559
something strange is happening to them

731
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:32,900
but I would say oh well over fifty

732
00:36:36,430 --> 00:36:33,440
percent

733
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:36,440
Wow okay and so here's some questions

734
00:36:44,289 --> 00:36:40,640
coming at you does you Vaughn have any

735
00:36:51,579 --> 00:36:44,299
opinion or theory on why the abductions

736
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:51,589
occur oh my gosh all the time is it such

737
00:36:59,200 --> 00:36:56,690
a million dollar question right now I

738
00:37:04,380 --> 00:36:59,210
mean over the last 23 years I can say

739
00:37:07,569 --> 00:37:04,390
now that the abductions are occurring

740
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:07,579
because the alien beings and whoever

741
00:37:14,859 --> 00:37:11,839
they are have have an agenda they're

742
00:37:18,309 --> 00:37:14,869
very interested in our DNA and

743
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:18,319
reproductive system they they definitely

744
00:37:25,749 --> 00:37:22,180
have a hybridization program going

745
00:37:29,289 --> 00:37:25,759
creating hybrids half-human half-alien I

746
00:37:32,170 --> 00:37:29,299
couldn't have said this 20 years ago I'm

747
00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:32,180
convinced now that that is very central

748
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:38,390
to to their to their agenda to what they

749
00:37:42,430 --> 00:37:40,910
need to accomplish whatever that is and

750
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,440
hopefully they're not going to pack up

751
00:37:47,410 --> 00:37:44,960
their bags and leave without giving us

752
00:37:48,460 --> 00:37:47,420
more information and explaining why

753
00:37:53,259 --> 00:37:48,470
they're doing this

754
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:53,269
I also over the years have in working

755
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:55,380
with abductees

756
00:38:05,559 --> 00:37:58,920
there also seems to be a sense of the

757
00:38:09,529 --> 00:38:05,569
alien beings are trying to teach us to

758
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:09,539
elevate our our higher consciousness our

759
00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:15,599
spiritual our spiritual sense of

760
00:38:22,759 --> 00:38:19,980
ourselves it just seems that they've

761
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:22,769
been getting these the objectives that

762
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:26,099
have been receiving these messages about

763
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:31,410
this you know whether that's true I mean

764
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:34,529
the the abductors really don't give much

765
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:37,650
information and certainly not detailed

766
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:40,980
information about what they're doing but

767
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:44,609
they seem to be concerned about our

768
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:48,119
spiritual well-being and I also you know

769
00:38:52,249 --> 00:38:51,480
when you think back if it's a 63 you

770
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:52,259
know I know

771
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,049
Captain Robert solace very well when the

772
00:39:01,009 --> 00:38:58,079
UFO flew over Malstrom

773
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:01,019
Air Force Base and turned off the 10 of

774
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:06,569
his ICBM you know missiles they also are

775
00:39:11,809 --> 00:39:09,089
very concerned about what we're doing

776
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:11,819
down here with our weaponry so I think

777
00:39:20,089 --> 00:39:14,970
that does tie in with our spiritual

778
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:20,099
growth and so you know it's it's very so

779
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:23,910
difficult to explain what their what

780
00:39:29,650 --> 00:39:26,130
their motive is in just a simple

781
00:39:32,539 --> 00:39:29,660
sentence I mean so much of it is still

782
00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:32,549
speculative because they as I as I

783
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:34,470
mentioned before they really they have

784
00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:38,640
not told me their exact mission what

785
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:41,750
their mission is but just from my

786
00:39:48,319 --> 00:39:46,410
personal cases and experience working

787
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:48,329
with all these wonderful people who have

788
00:39:54,109 --> 00:39:52,170
come forward this is what I'm starting

789
00:39:57,019 --> 00:39:54,119
to I'm starting to form a picture on

790
00:39:59,539 --> 00:39:57,029
this but we'll see I mean time will tell

791
00:40:04,249 --> 00:39:59,549
Martin I just hope that we will have

792
00:40:06,049 --> 00:40:04,259
answers you know in our lifetime if it

793
00:40:08,029 --> 00:40:06,059
helps you know when we cross over

794
00:40:08,660 --> 00:40:08,039
maybe we'll have the answers I don't

795
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:08,670
know

796
00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:15,900
for that question yeah and you you've

797
00:40:20,329 --> 00:40:18,630
been working with all these people you

798
00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:20,339
really feel comfortable with what you

799
00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:22,619
just said you will actually think that

800
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,780
these with all the information you've

801
00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:26,640
gathered from all these hundreds of

802
00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:29,849
people in your opinion that's what you

803
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:34,619
think is happening you know I I can't

804
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:39,440
it's not set in stone but it seems that

805
00:40:51,049 --> 00:40:43,170
hybridization definitely that program is

806
00:40:53,230 --> 00:40:51,059
is you know still going on and the alien

807
00:40:57,859 --> 00:40:53,240
beings be concerned with our spiritual

808
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:57,869
growth our spiritual welfare and the

809
00:41:02,359 --> 00:41:00,720
part that you know they've been like for

810
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:02,369
a very long time they've been worried

811
00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:04,020
about what we're doing out down here

812
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:08,579
with our weaponry and so because I could

813
00:41:13,819 --> 00:41:11,640
affect the rest of the universe and it's

814
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,829
totally understandable but like I said

815
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:16,319
this is not this is just speculation

816
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,040
because this is just from what I have

817
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,920
found from my cases and some people that

818
00:41:28,549 --> 00:41:24,480
I've worked with I mean I've worked with

819
00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:28,559
hundreds of people over the years right

820
00:41:32,809 --> 00:41:30,839
you know I hope we can get back to your

821
00:41:36,910 --> 00:41:32,819
book because we have a lot of questions

822
00:41:39,620 --> 00:41:36,920
rolling it and we'll tie it in somewhere

823
00:41:45,020 --> 00:41:39,630
so I'm going to go through these in

824
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,030
order someone wants me to ask you who

825
00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:47,760
has read and researched everything could

826
00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:51,240
be for the subject I'm sorry I'm gonna

827
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:53,579
read this over again Martin asked her if

828
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:55,740
someone who has read and researched

829
00:41:59,539 --> 00:41:58,770
everything could be a subject for

830
00:42:03,740 --> 00:41:59,549
hypnosis

831
00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:03,750
I think the person's asking if how would

832
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:05,579
they know if there could be if they

833
00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:09,480
could be a subject for hypnosis they

834
00:42:15,779 --> 00:42:12,180
could be a subject to find out whether

835
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:20,159
well if people I don't know people just

836
00:42:25,219 --> 00:42:21,729
trying to say I think you start he may

837
00:42:29,219 --> 00:42:25,229
be trying to say if people have read

838
00:42:32,989 --> 00:42:29,229
about UFOs and UFO abduction if they've

839
00:42:35,069 --> 00:42:32,999
been contaminated by what they've read

840
00:42:37,649 --> 00:42:35,079
you know of course it makes it a little

841
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:37,659
bit more difficult but even though and

842
00:42:44,249 --> 00:42:41,049
I've had people you know reading on the

843
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:44,259
subject because they're trying to look

844
00:42:48,839 --> 00:42:45,849
for answers and that's totally

845
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:48,849
understandable I feel that knowledge is

846
00:42:56,149 --> 00:42:52,630
power so even if someone has been has

847
00:43:00,719 --> 00:42:56,159
been reading up on abductions and UFOs

848
00:43:04,439 --> 00:43:00,729
when when they go into hypnotic

849
00:43:06,889 --> 00:43:04,449
regression and those they begin to

850
00:43:11,989 --> 00:43:06,899
relive their own experiences and the

851
00:43:14,749 --> 00:43:11,999
emotions Wells up and the tears come

852
00:43:18,029 --> 00:43:14,759
they realize that what they're

853
00:43:19,889 --> 00:43:18,039
experiencing or reliving is something

854
00:43:23,370 --> 00:43:19,899
very real it's not something that

855
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:23,380
they've read so I feel I could tell the

856
00:43:30,449 --> 00:43:27,729
difference you know with people and and

857
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:30,459
most people yes can absolutely be

858
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:33,609
hypnotized you just have to make up your

859
00:43:39,329 --> 00:43:37,209
mind that you're going to allow me or

860
00:43:42,329 --> 00:43:39,339
whoever you're working with to be your

861
00:43:45,059 --> 00:43:42,339
facilitator hypnosis is very safe

862
00:43:47,879 --> 00:43:45,069
there's no drugs views there's no mind

863
00:43:51,209 --> 00:43:47,889
control it's a very deep state of

864
00:43:54,409 --> 00:43:51,219
relaxation I access the subconscious

865
00:43:57,949 --> 00:43:54,419
mind where all of these 10 memories are

866
00:44:01,229 --> 00:43:57,959
are buried I'm not talking about just

867
00:44:03,449 --> 00:44:01,239
PTSD people I've worked with from the

868
00:44:05,299 --> 00:44:03,459
military or people have had terrible car

869
00:44:08,929 --> 00:44:05,309
accidents and people who have been

870
00:44:12,989 --> 00:44:08,939
physically or sexually abused it's all

871
00:44:17,370 --> 00:44:12,999
PTSD it's you know suffering a trauma it

872
00:44:21,769 --> 00:44:17,380
does it does help and heal the person as

873
00:44:25,379 --> 00:44:21,779
they bring the memory forward right okay

874
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:25,389
this is kind of a long one here and it's

875
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:27,849
sort of a statement but looking for your

876
00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:28,810
reaction to

877
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:31,990
and and this is also from the chat room

878
00:44:38,460 --> 00:44:34,930
message board it always struck me as odd

879
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:38,470
that these beings who can traverse the

880
00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:41,380
universe with technology hundreds or

881
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:43,630
thousands of years ahead of us need to

882
00:44:48,930 --> 00:44:46,330
do something as archaic as physically

883
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,940
abduct in probe people you would think

884
00:44:52,830 --> 00:44:50,560
they could manufacture anything they

885
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:52,840
might need and not have to travel all

886
00:44:57,590 --> 00:44:54,970
the way here for whatever they need and

887
00:45:00,600 --> 00:44:57,600
what's your opinion about that comment

888
00:45:04,110 --> 00:45:00,610
you'd think so and and you know I tried

889
00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:04,120
this many many times before over the

890
00:45:13,170 --> 00:45:10,180
years that we're looking at it as from a

891
00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:13,180
human standpoint you know we don't know

892
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:15,190
who they are or what their people were

893
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:19,390
not capable of obviously they need our

894
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:22,000
material they need our blood where they

895
00:45:29,340 --> 00:45:24,730
need our sperm they need our OVA to

896
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:29,350
create these hybrid beings and you know

897
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:32,710
they may not be traversing millions of

898
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:35,530
miles I mean it could just be they

899
00:45:41,850 --> 00:45:38,830
stepped into you know these unzip and

900
00:45:45,620 --> 00:45:41,860
they step right into our world USA the

901
00:45:49,110 --> 00:45:45,630
parallel universe you know we don't know

902
00:45:53,310 --> 00:45:49,120
many of the scientists I've heard say oh

903
00:45:55,140 --> 00:45:53,320
you know it's impossible for them to

904
00:45:57,150 --> 00:45:55,150
travel this far and why would they

905
00:45:59,730 --> 00:45:57,160
travel you know and just abduct people

906
00:46:05,520 --> 00:45:59,740
and but they as I mentioned before when

907
00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:05,530
I listen to me shukaku you know it see

908
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:08,470
it you can bend time and space so they

909
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:11,410
may not be maybe may not have to travel

910
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:14,110
millions of miles I mean they just could

911
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:16,660
be right here zip in and out

912
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:18,490
we don't know I mean we're looking at

913
00:46:23,810 --> 00:46:20,770
this and obviously we don't know and

914
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:23,820
we're looking at this we can't help it

915
00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:29,230
with what we know and but all I know and

916
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:32,230
all I can say is that this is a real

917
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:35,170
experience it is a physical experience

918
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,660
people are being taken from their homes

919
00:46:42,049 --> 00:46:39,599
from the cars there

920
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,059
the fact that they are examined they've

921
00:46:47,439 --> 00:46:44,160
been followed throughout their lives it

922
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:47,449
is an intergenerational experience

923
00:46:55,999 --> 00:46:51,690
they're very very interested in family

924
00:46:57,799 --> 00:46:56,009
lines and you know when I interview one

925
00:47:00,469 --> 00:46:57,809
or two people come into my office

926
00:47:02,089 --> 00:47:00,479
I know when saying we're not you people

927
00:47:03,739 --> 00:47:02,099
from the same family I know I'm going to

928
00:47:06,289 --> 00:47:03,749
be interviewing and working with other

929
00:47:11,749 --> 00:47:06,299
family members because it is a family

930
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:11,759
affair so if you know this is isn't and

931
00:47:21,049 --> 00:47:16,319
I could only speak with what I know from

932
00:47:24,439 --> 00:47:21,059
my research in my cases but my goal is

933
00:47:26,449 --> 00:47:24,449
is to keep talking about this so doing

934
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,459
shows like yours Martin to you know

935
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:28,380
bring this keep bringing this out into

936
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:31,859
the open so that people no longer have

937
00:47:39,439 --> 00:47:35,880
to be afraid to talk about you know even

938
00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:39,449
if they had a sighting no longer afraid

939
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:41,160
where they're gonna lose standing in the

940
00:47:46,099 --> 00:47:42,690
community they're gonna lose their jobs

941
00:47:50,029 --> 00:47:46,109
if that's outrageous just because they

942
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:50,039
talk about a UFO and to me it violates

943
00:47:54,859 --> 00:47:52,440
someone's civil rights when they can't

944
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,869
talk about this and they're afraid that

945
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:57,119
they're gonna lose everything and that

946
00:48:01,209 --> 00:47:58,680
they built up in their lives just

947
00:48:03,499 --> 00:48:01,219
because it's a UFO it is just ridiculous

948
00:48:06,739 --> 00:48:03,509
yeah it's it's something they have to

949
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,749
deal with another question out there and

950
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:08,880
we have about like nine minutes so I

951
00:48:12,109 --> 00:48:10,619
just want to jump back to your book so

952
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:12,119
let's just burn quickly through these

953
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:14,910
three questions right here of the

954
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:17,729
contactee population what percentage are

955
00:48:26,059 --> 00:48:21,390
you thinking suffers from a

956
00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:26,069
post-traumatic stress disorder well the

957
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,640
people who come to me all suffer from

958
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:32,640
PTSD that's why they're coming to me for

959
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:36,690
help now I know that there are people

960
00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:38,910
there out there that have said they have

961
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,670
you know all positive experiences and

962
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:44,400
that's wonderful and I hope that really

963
00:48:49,299 --> 00:48:47,339
is true for them but I would say you

964
00:48:52,570 --> 00:48:49,309
know a hundred percent of course of my

965
00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:52,580
my clients of my cases

966
00:48:59,730 --> 00:48:56,180
all suffered from PTSD right yeah

967
00:49:03,930 --> 00:48:59,740
okay do you see a connection between

968
00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:03,940
abductees and other paranormal activity

969
00:49:11,860 --> 00:49:10,060
there seems to be a overlapping of

970
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:11,870
someone who's had an abduction

971
00:49:17,410 --> 00:49:14,770
experience and having paranormal

972
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:17,420
activity around them around their house

973
00:49:23,530 --> 00:49:20,210
now you know we don't know what came

974
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:23,540
first the chicken or the egg but you

975
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:26,330
know it may be that having an abduction

976
00:49:31,890 --> 00:49:28,370
experience or having a paranormal

977
00:49:35,470 --> 00:49:31,900
experience may have opened them up to

978
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:35,480
these all these experiences but I know

979
00:49:42,340 --> 00:49:38,110
that over the years people talk about

980
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:42,350
having you know the typical paranormal

981
00:49:48,070 --> 00:49:44,650
lights going off and on toilets flushing

982
00:49:49,870 --> 00:49:48,080
and and it would be we've discussed this

983
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:49,880
in the support group meeting so it's

984
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:53,570
from you know it's another it's another

985
00:49:59,440 --> 00:49:56,960
mystery some of it makes me almost think

986
00:50:01,140 --> 00:49:59,450
that some of this if this is really

987
00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:01,150
going on that this some of this could be

988
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:02,870
interdimensional just as easy as

989
00:50:09,070 --> 00:50:07,310
anything else you know it's you know who

990
00:50:11,170 --> 00:50:09,080
knows if I'll ever have the answer like

991
00:50:12,550 --> 00:50:11,180
you said one last question from the

992
00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:12,560
message board then we'll go back to your

993
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:15,560
book have you been able to identify any

994
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,190
subduction trends I'm not sure what what

995
00:50:29,530 --> 00:50:26,960
they mean by abduction trends things has

996
00:50:32,140 --> 00:50:29,540
have things changed let's just say have

997
00:50:35,230 --> 00:50:32,150
things changed in the abductions the way

998
00:50:37,090 --> 00:50:35,240
they've been happening reported to you

999
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:37,100
over the last several years that you've

1000
00:50:45,970 --> 00:50:43,090
been doing this they don't think this

1001
00:50:50,020 --> 00:50:45,980
experience is the same it's all very

1002
00:50:52,750 --> 00:50:50,030
similar it's those who give them the the

1003
00:50:55,330 --> 00:50:52,760
hint you know they're having bits and

1004
00:50:59,140 --> 00:50:55,340
pieces of Mamre coming up very vivid

1005
00:51:02,200 --> 00:50:59,150
dreams or nightmares they're they still

1006
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:02,210
they still seem to be or are very

1007
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:04,490
interested in our DNA

1008
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:07,910
there there people are taken aboard and

1009
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:11,510
they're shown these very strange babies

1010
00:51:18,730 --> 00:51:15,770
or children sometimes they are shown the

1011
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:18,740
would say the control room you know I'm

1012
00:51:24,340 --> 00:51:21,340
just given a tour of the control room

1013
00:51:28,260 --> 00:51:24,350
they are taking a course to examination

1014
00:51:33,730 --> 00:51:28,270
room they are shown at some point

1015
00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:33,740
pictures of devastation perhaps to see

1016
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:35,990
what their reaction is or to give us a

1017
00:51:42,370 --> 00:51:39,910
warning it certainly the abduction

1018
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:42,380
experiences have not slowed down so I

1019
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:43,970
had that I've been asked that as well

1020
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:46,490
and and I do not find that they have

1021
00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:49,760
slowed down okay very good so we have

1022
00:52:01,600 --> 00:51:58,690
so let's get back to that and can you

1023
00:52:04,750 --> 00:52:01,610
give more of I know we have such a short

1024
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:04,760
time but kind of what the general is and

1025
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:16,000
it's basically sharing with the public

1026
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:18,650
about this one just one case I know

1027
00:52:22,750 --> 00:52:21,410
there's many about the mass abductions

1028
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:22,760
it just doesn't happen to one or two

1029
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:26,210
people but this happened on an island

1030
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:30,890
during a UFO conference when President

1031
00:52:35,140 --> 00:52:32,930
Clinton was also on the island the

1032
00:52:40,990 --> 00:52:35,150
island was swarming with the Secret

1033
00:52:44,830 --> 00:52:41,000
Service agents and yet these dozen or

1034
00:52:47,950 --> 00:52:44,840
more people were abducted now the

1035
00:52:51,220 --> 00:52:47,960
question is were the were the alien

1036
00:52:53,170 --> 00:52:51,230
beings just doing this to prove that

1037
00:52:55,570 --> 00:52:53,180
they that they have control over this

1038
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:55,580
experience what are their Secret Service

1039
00:53:00,040 --> 00:52:58,130
or anyone else around they're able to do

1040
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:00,050
this under the nose of the President

1041
00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:03,680
or was the president there because he

1042
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:07,030
was briefed on what was going to happen

1043
00:53:12,099 --> 00:53:10,400
you know that's that's speculation of

1044
00:53:16,140 --> 00:53:12,109
course but it was just he was just a

1045
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:16,150
very strange set of circumstances

1046
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,250
I think Clinton you know I think Clinton

1047
00:53:25,049 --> 00:53:22,960
has a passing interest in this whole

1048
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:25,059
thing and he's sort of denied it you

1049
00:53:29,309 --> 00:53:27,569
know recently in a talk on a talk show

1050
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:29,319
with Jimmy Kimmel

1051
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:33,849
but I think it really does have a you

1052
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:37,119
know he has you know spoken about it and

1053
00:53:41,579 --> 00:53:39,010
you know I think he has more of an

1054
00:53:44,430 --> 00:53:41,589
interest in it than he leads on I think

1055
00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:44,440
so too and I it was very strange as that

1056
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:47,740
and I have I present that that segment

1057
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,049
on Jimmy Kimmel in my powerpoint that

1058
00:53:56,670 --> 00:53:53,440
this happened with Jimmy Kimmel in April

1059
00:53:58,829 --> 00:53:56,680
and my book was coming out in June and I

1060
00:53:59,579 --> 00:53:58,839
thought oh my god what you know what

1061
00:54:02,789 --> 00:53:59,589
timing

1062
00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:02,799
so I wanted to show I want to show

1063
00:54:07,650 --> 00:54:05,230
everyone who has not seen the interview

1064
00:54:11,099 --> 00:54:07,660
with him about what he says about UFOs

1065
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:11,109
that I I have the impression as well and

1066
00:54:18,329 --> 00:54:14,609
and Ben Hansen does a very brilliant

1067
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:18,339
analysis of his body language during

1068
00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:19,930
this interview so is anybody there

1069
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:23,260
serious pull it up on the enhances

1070
00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:25,839
website oh I have to dad I didn't know

1071
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:29,500
that yeah Ben's good I talked to Ben

1072
00:54:33,210 --> 00:54:31,270
about it when we were both lecturing in

1073
00:54:35,579 --> 00:54:33,220
Roswell this past July and I told her

1074
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:35,589
I'm not like I mentioned I mentioned him

1075
00:54:41,180 --> 00:54:37,930
on coast-to-coast about it and in and by

1076
00:54:45,150 --> 00:54:41,190
lecture in Roswell it's very interesting

1077
00:54:47,609 --> 00:54:45,160
when you study body language but I agree

1078
00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:47,619
I agree that that Clinton has an

1079
00:54:53,609 --> 00:54:50,470
interest and I think he what he wants to

1080
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:53,619
know himself he may know more than you

1081
00:54:59,789 --> 00:54:57,220
know he's letting on but it's just you

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he was just the boy you know as I was

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writing the book I just thought this is

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really really strange a whole set of

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circumstances so the you know the reader

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will I hope will find it interesting

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it's available on on Amazon and on

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Kindle and I hope everybody has a chance

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to read Coronado that's great and it's

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been a real pleasure and will be also

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looking forward to finding out

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you know what comes forward out of this

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you said you had some witnesses to see

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and talk to and just quickly because we

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have we have less than a minute here but

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are any of these people that are coming

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forward are they actually claiming that

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they had an abduction experience at the

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same time with me they emailed me they

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were not sure so I told them to look

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back on their notes and we look back at

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that weekend and it depends as well on

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their on their background if they have

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other experiences it's not just a one

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time you know one time experience with

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people their abductive throughout their

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lives so it's just one of those so I

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have to sit down and have a consultation

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with them and see what happened very

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good okay thanks a lot Yvonne thank you

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so much for having me

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you bet okay so that's it for our show

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